Sunday, July 16, 2006

Hard Times for Proud Americans...

Know the most dangerous enemy of power?


Remember Spaceballs? Light speed, ridiculous speed, and ludicrous speed?

I guess, the phase of light is over...

Did you ever think about cycles? America began with George, the Moron, the George Who Lost America, embarassing, mortifying for all of his nation..

But may i introduce to you?

The Mocking Bird’s best friend: The President of America...

Babies don’t love him – and the world doesn’t want his gifts...

Bush: “I’ll give you freedom of press and free religion like Iraq”.

Putin: “No, thanks.
We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.

Bush: "Just wait".

Sounds like an open threat, but that doesn't matter anymore...

Can you hear them laugh?

"Top Ten George W. Bush Videotape Moments" (Letterman) and some comments ( A - especially about the 'Ewwwwww' moment with Germany's chancellor part 1 and part 2 -, B


Blogger Mannning said...

Ah! But does anyone besides Putin want the current type of "democracy" they have and are evolving into in Russia? I seriously doubt it.

12:27 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger Again said...

current type of "democracy" they have

did you ever visit Russia? Especially the Russia of the last decade?

10:56 PM, July 16, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

No, I have not. All of my background information on the current state of affairs in Russia (and Putin's intentions) comes from US Government and commercial sources. I doubt, however, any short visit would be very productive for me in terms of truly understanding life in the "new" Russia. Especially without language skills, one misses all too much.

This is why we took long vacations to single places when we lived in Europe--the better to absorb the areas selected. We avoided the "If it's Tuesday, we must be in Belgium" syndrome. Even so, our understandings were woefully limited as to the real world we were visiting. One of the family was the interpreter for the country usually, since we had reasonable coverage of simple German, French, Spanish and Dutch between us then. But that was over 20 years ago.

11:14 AM, July 17, 2006  
Blogger Again said...

But that was over 20 years ago.

wow - 20 years, about 1986...

before the wall felt...

a whole different world - Europe has changed fundamentally, Germany is reborn, Russia is going to be either...

All of my background information on the current state of affairs in Russia (and Putin's intentions) comes from US Government and commercial sources.

Si tacuisses philosophicus fuisses (quote not aimed at you, but at...)

considering Bush's wonderful statement in front of an informed and politically educated audience like the G8 i guess, i would be careful using the government for reality checks...

"During a press conference today at the G8 summit in Russia, President Bush told President Vladimir Putin that Americans want Russia to develop a free press and free religion “like Iraq.” To laughter and applause, Putin responded: “We certainly would not want to have same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.” CNN’s Ed Henry called it a “tough jab.”"

problem here i see is that no real clever statesman EVER would say something face-to-face which he KNOWS that the audience thinks is bullshit - but would say something "diplomatic" to smoothe the waves

so - Bertrands Paradox - the "Russia do it like Iraq" statement tells libraries of stories...

11:33 PM, July 18, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again: No doubt you're already *quite* familiar with this infraction, but I thought I'd post it anyway as yet another example of Bush's astounding immaturity to be added to the already huge litany. ==== To the German people at large: Please accept my personal apologies for this drunken frat boy's oafish behavior. I myself most *assuredly* never voted for this incredibly uncouth TWIT. (Of course, with our massively manipulated, US E-lection system, who really knows??) Nevertheless, I'm utterly disgusted that my native country could ever have installed, in any manner, such a reprehensible CRETIN in the White House!: Cowboy George: Bush's unexpected squeeze of the German chancellor has the Internet howling San Francisco Chronicle ==== It's not exactly "Presidents Gone Wild!" but for the normally staid Group of Eight Summit, a video of President Bush sidling behind German Chancellor Angela Merkel and delivering an impromptu neck rub is, well, as wild as it gets. ==== The scene, captured by a Russian TV camera, hit the Internet like a summer wildfire Tuesday, and it may be most memorable for the German chancellor's reaction. Bush applies his hands to Merkel's shoulders and neck while she's speaking with Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi; the chancellor hunches her shoulders, then throws her hands up to stop the unexpected massage with a wan smile -- and an expression that can best be translated as "Ewwww." ... [Sequence of still photos accompanies article.]

2:01 PM, July 19, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

President Bush, I would point out, is not the source of any detailed information on other countries. CIA background information is usually good, however. State has some useful data too.

2:20 PM, July 19, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

A good commercial source is Exxon, by the way.

It would seem that President Bush occupies the thoughts of people in Europe much more than in the US, with the possible exception of a few thousand progressives (lower case) here, and the MSM.

Strange how such a preoccupation can cloud minds about the rest of the citizens of this country, even in intelligent souls. I wonder why anyone would go to the trouble of collecting gaffes and oddities about Bush. Such a preoccupation is a huge waste of time and effort, in my opinion, especially for people with something to contribute to society besides snide gossip.

Oh well, there will be another President in 2009 to change the pace nicely. Probably not with an elitist image either, however. But then we don't elect Presidents for how they hold their cup of tea in the drawing rooms of the world.

2:49 PM, July 19, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like they say, 'A wink is as good as a nod to a "See No Evil" monkey.' ;-)

8:25 PM, July 19, 2006  
Blogger Again said...

CIA... Exxxon

CIA - the one who told us that Iraq had WMD's? And Exxon, the oil company, "saving" Alaska?

It would seem that President Bush occupies the thoughts of people in Europe much more than in the US...
Strange how such a preoccupation can cloud minds about the rest of the citizens of this country, even in intelligent souls.

wow - you really talk like my daddy (AFAIK you are retired, aren't you?)...

reminds me of that:
"The [people in Europe] take[] particular pleasure in criticizing [this country] on grounds of humanitarianism, civilization, human rights and culture...
The [people in Europe] repl[y] to our complaints by saying that they have nothing against [the rest of the citizens of this country], only against [President Bush]"

sorry, just associations because of the similarities..

btw - do you know the old saying: People get the government they deserve? Bush is the President of America, he is allowed - BY THE PEOPLE (excuse me, nemo, but as you know there is much more support than just elections) - to represent them, so his face and behavior is the self-chosen face and behavior of America

btw (2)- about the 2009-thing

is Jeb Bush ripe for presidency?

thanks for the hint - that "Ewwwww" moment was great!

12:23 AM, July 20, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

Yes, again, the very same organizations, sinners though they may be. If one were to take your critique of organizations as a forevermore ban on their works, within a few nanoseconds virtually every organization in the world would be banned.

I would hate to sling mud at the German companies that have steadfastly sold high tech goods to terrorist regimes, and helped build underground facilities for Saddam. "Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone".

Oh, and Iraq did have WMDs stored around for use, or did you not pick up on that? 500 poison shells is a potent arsenal, even when degraded over time. No telling what will be found if Israel runs up the
Bekaa, which I fervently hope they do. You must have more faith! :)
Time will establish the truth here beyond all doubt. Do you have the same perception of German intelligence organizations?

I must agree that massaging the neck of a female Prime Minister at the dinner table is something I would never do. A faux pas nonpareil, n'cest pas?

Romney, Gingrich and Guilliani seem to be ahead of Jeb Bush at this time for the Republican nomination. My choice, Gingrich, is far behind at this stage. Perhaps he will not run.

Many voters will vote against someone in the election, rather than for a candidate. For this I give you Hillary Clinton, who has many enemies. I hope she gets the Democratic nomination because it will ensure Republican domination for another 8 years, in my opinion.

Regards to you pet sub commander.:)

6:37 AM, July 20, 2006  
Blogger JasonJ said...

Alas, Mannning crawls out from under his rock. I guess it must be time to set the clocks back 400 years again.

So my friend, are we ready to finish our discussion yet?

I'll admit what I said was mean spirited, albeit, no more so than what you were saying; but it still doesn't make you any less wrong about what we were arguing about and it still does not make you any less wrong about Rousseau. But then again, I read your blog from time to time, so I know truth isn't your strong suit.

6:39 PM, July 20, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

Mr. Jason:
Thank you for such a stirring invitation, it makes me so glad I chose to stop talking to a brick. I see no common grounds for discussion with someone who calls me a liar. Your truths must be marvellous and imaginative distortions of reality if you think I lie! LOL

8:03 PM, July 20, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... so glad I chose to stop talking to a brick ... ==== It seems quite obvious to me that you CONTINUE to talk to yourself, O Baked Clay man! It's a certainty no one ELSE is paying any serious attention to your fraudulent rants. ("LOL", indeed! When you employ the acronym, it clearly signifies "Lying OnLine".)

12:00 PM, July 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[Mine above.]

12:01 PM, July 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Further comment on the Molester-in-Chief's G8 grope-fest. Obviously, this represents yet another example of the "honor and dignity" Junior has worked so hard to "bring back to the White House": Sexual Harassment: Ewwww. Again [Seattle Post-Intelligencer; Editorial] ==== ... The act was demeaning to the leader of another nation. It also demonstrates insensitive (if not out-of-bounds) workplace conduct. Since this was an international summit, we'll cite the United Nations' sexual harassment guidelines. "Unwelcome behavior is the critical word," the document says, followed by a listing of objectionable actions. About halfway down the list: "Neck massage." ==== Ewwww. We're embarrassed again. ... [And LOOK! It's even "addressed" to you personally!] ;-)

12:51 PM, July 21, 2006  
Blogger JasonJ said...

Your truths must be marvellous and imaginative distortions of reality if you think I lie! LOL

What a moron!!

Why are you here old man? I didn't think you SBC types believed in is the devil's work after all. I wrote you a nice little epitaph after you decided to punk out on our forum. Just thought you should know.

4:02 PM, July 21, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

The flatpan brick chorus has gathered once again!

Oh, by the way, anonymous, how do you know any of my posts are fraudulent if no one pays attention to them? I assume that includes you, unless, in your usual manner, you are simply a liar.

Jason, Rousseau was a romantic idiot, and is certainly irrelevant in this day and age, especially since he poisoned many minds with the essential ingredients of utopian socialism/communism, and thus fostered the ideas that led directly to 75 years of Russian tyranny. After rejecting his antique and overly simplistic line of political thought, as did our founders, and as you went off the cliff with invective, I left you to your own moldy-red devices.

Sub-Commander didn't even put his smelly snorkel up.

again: Sorry that my posts here seem to have drawn out the flatpan brick chorus to crowd out any decency and comity on your site with ad hominem attacks.

Are you familiar with the work of John Holland on a framework for a theory of induction?

6:46 PM, July 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rousseau was a romantic idiot. ..." [et al.] ==== Ah, now there's a glaring example of "decency and comity" in argumentation -- one which *scrupulously* avoids all semblance of ad hominem attacks! [end unmistakable sarcasm] Hypocrisy, thy name is MaNNNing! ==== Incidentally, old man, it's called "reading". Do it every now and then, and you might find that "anonymous", to whom you so hastily (and ineptly) kneejerked above, is yours truly, immediately identified just below the post. [Considering you obviously missed that key fact -- one of an infinite number, no doubt -- I wouldn't want you to have to wonder for all eternity.] And the *operative* phrase, which you seemingly deliberately misquoted in order to facilitate the notably shabby construction of your uniquely retarded "straw man" argument, was "SERIOUS attention" -- a commodity you've consistently proven yourself utterly undeserving of through perpetual resort to such shabby "argumentation" and tragically flawed demagoguery. ==== You may well "have a way with words" occasionally -- when your noticeably strained scribblings *don't* descend into indecipherable Malapropism -- but it's clear that your cranium is *far* too impenetrably dense for REALITY to ever impinge on your beliefs. Now, you're certainly entitled to hold beliefs. And, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they're NOT entitled to their own FACTS!" Lose that erroneous tenet of your own belief system, and you might someday even seem vaguely "lucid". (But I'm not counting on it.) ==== Last but not least, those fictitious "WMD's" you claim were found in Iraq appear to be the product of mere "acronym shift". You see, the NeoConNazis of the Bush Regime alleged and were actively seeking "Weapons of Mass Destruction" -- NOT "Worthless, Moldy, Decayed" artillery shells from decades ago. (And yes, by any scholarly standard you *are* notoriously fraudulent -- even the most *cursory* attention paid to your radically slanted, belligerent ravings reveals that quite plainly!) .

2:47 PM, July 22, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

I get the picture of nemo sitting with Roget's Thesaurus and a closed mind, straining to create words that somehow string together, all in aid of slander, invective and ad hominum-ism. Pitiful, pitiful, pitiful!

The fraud is clear--you. How about you sampling the sarin in those shells, nemo, if they are so old and degraded? Go ahead, volunteer to be a ....never mind. One dead nemo, more or less.

You have your facts distorted by those who have a vested interest in never finding the WMD that Saddam had. If the Israelis run up the Bekaa, we just may also find those many truckloads sent there before we invaded Iraq. Even if not, there is enough egg on faces now anyway, including yours. Such a tiresome argument to waste people's time.

But it is a central tenet of the herd that wants with all their heart to believe that Bush lied. Fault that in a truly perfect way and the progressive push will go poof. No, I am wrong there, they would disingenuously say he lied anyhow,just for fun and games.

I am so glad that you NEVER read my posts, and, hence, fail to grasp their truth.

4:32 PM, July 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MaKKKing: No one is a *complete* idiot, but you come awfully close! ==== Again: If I were you, I'd seriously consider giving this "25-cent word" TROLL the boot. He's undoubtedly reducing the "property values" in this otherwise respectable "neighborhood". ;-) [Of course, he is vaguely amusing for a game of WHACK-A-TROLL.] :-)

9:39 PM, July 22, 2006  
Blogger Again said...

I would hate to sling mud at the German companies that have steadfastly sold high tech goods to terrorist regimes, and helped build underground facilities for Saddam.

i would hate to sling mud at ..., but...

great wording, mannning - makes looking smart while saying what obviously isn't that smart ;-)

but to be serious - bad doesn't fix bad. As Buffy said: You can't beat evil by doing evil. If i rape your granddaughter, that would make me a subhuman, but it wouldn't allow you to rape the granddaughter of your neighbor. The German killed/tortured/maimed the Jews, that doesn't make the Jews killing/maiming innocent children a good thing and the German's lying doesn't make truth from the lies of the CIA

to use (-1) * (-1) = (+1) you have to fulfill some definitions ;-)

btw: to John Holland...

as far as i know, he worked at something like Kolgomorov - the latter not even near the understanding of information, but a great "preparer"...

i'm physicist, not computer scientist - and actually, i bet, that's the reason, why i understood information - because computer scientists live in a world of algorithms - perfectly fit to create best practices for special tasks, absolutely necessary to launch a sophisticated industry needing a foundation of basic principles...

a foundation of precise definitions, like F = m*a, you know ;-)

1:02 AM, July 23, 2006  
Blogger JasonJ said...

No doubt Nemo has now begun to learn the depth of Jim Farrar's intellectual capabilities. It would seem that Mannning and PeeWee Herman have one catch phrase in common "I know you are, but what am I"

Alas there is no way to conduct dicourse on an intellectual level playing field with this fraud of a man. I have said before and I say again. This is a man who made a living selling weapons of death and human atrocity to governments in foriegn lands. Governments that put these weapons in the hands of children to slaughter one another with in the name of all that is holy, namely the god of capitalism. I was sorry to see Mr Farrar punk out of our arguement on my blogsite but was also equally relieved to not have to put up with such ignorance again in my own space. There is no reaching some people. I found it interesting what my high school science teacher used to say about old people (at the time he was referring to Ronny Reagan) that at some point people just stop learning new things. It would appear through my extended discourse with this old man that his mind quit learning at the height of the Cold War. This is fine, it appears he has nothing left to look forward to than sweet death taking him to the beyond that does not exist, and believe me, I count the days till his final silence.

This is the last derogatory message I intend to write on this topic, here or anywhere else. Bevier, I hope you will forgive my rudeness here. Should you choose to ban my comments in the future I will respect that, but I have no other way of ending this feud than this.

11:41 AM, July 23, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

Mr. Jason has a strange part of the story of my work and has fixated on it. My role as a system engineer and project manager was confined to US, NATO, and US Client States. Further, I was creating C4I systems as part of the defense of the US and Europe. I never sold guns or missiles per se, but I did work on the engineering development and test of fire control systems for US and Allied nations, for naval vessels of the free world.

So I wear the title of defense system engineer with considerable pride for the contributions I made to the defense of the US and Allies.
No pipsqueek of a pseudo-intellectual can ever dent that, nor succeed in smearing my name as a warmonger either.

Perhaps the most dangerous people in the world are those with just a little learning and no common sense, as pipsqueek here seems to be. All they seem to know is ad hominem attacks from a pitiful base of misinformation. As for "reaching" some people, when you are ducking bricks it is hard to think kind words about the thrower.

Your overweening bias against capitalism and free markets is showing again, which shows exactly why Rousseau was so attractive to you.

Please do go silent, Jason. Thank you.

1:38 PM, July 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... It would seem that Mannning and PeeWee Herman have one catch phrase in common "I know you are, but what am I" ==== Jason: How remarkably intriguing that you mentioned that phrase explicitly. It was my very *first* reaction to Mr. "Polly Parrot's" last, grossly ineffectual attempt at a "retort". And indeed, how astoundingly puerile! No wonder he fancies Bush -- birdbrains of a feather! :-)

7:31 PM, July 23, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

Ah, poor old nemo, he will never reach the heights of JMF in squishy nonsense, nor in the ability to write.

As a flamer, nemo, you are indeed a failure. I would have enjoyed a really good flame, but you are simply not up to it, I can see.

A pity you deal in lies and slander and not in words that contribute something worthwhile to a discussion. When you overreach, poor nemo, you lose!

Perhaps that is the right word---loser.

9:03 PM, July 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MaNNNing: In your DREAMS, fool! Alas, I stand "corrected" -- it seems you *are* a complete idiot, after all!

6:23 PM, July 25, 2006  
Blogger Mannning said...

I do not know your background, nemo, but I would bet you are a lower-level academic at a small school, perhaps even a high school, in California or New York. That is the melieu of progressives these days, much to the detriment of the students.

2:22 AM, July 30, 2006  

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